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	<title>Comments on: Reason #49:  The Proxy Baptisms of Jews</title>
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		<description>A comment from Maranda:

I am not Jewish nor Mormon, but I am appauled by this non sense! I agree that it really doesnt affect anyone since LDS is really a load of crap, but it&#039;&#039;s disrespectful to infringe on someone&#039;&#039;s personal beliefs. That is why proxy can only be done after life. Living people would not stand for such non-sense. Then members of the LDS would see that no one wants to be in their cult. Because I am sure 9 times (at least) out of ten they would be rejected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment from Maranda:</p>
<p>I am not Jewish nor Mormon, but I am appauled by this non sense! I agree that it really doesnt affect anyone since LDS is really a load of crap, but it&#8221;s disrespectful to infringe on someone&#8221;s personal beliefs. That is why proxy can only be done after life. Living people would not stand for such non-sense. Then members of the LDS would see that no one wants to be in their cult. Because I am sure 9 times (at least) out of ten they would be rejected.</p>
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		<title>By: Latayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, if you&#039;d like an impression of how &quot;real&quot; people --who aren&#039;t LDS, nor anti-LDS, nor ex-LDS, feel about this issue please take a look at the current HBO Big Love discussion boards.  There, best as I can see, only Mormons see it as a positive thing.  Most people are more than incensed about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if you&#8217;d like an impression of how &#8220;real&#8221; people &#8211;who aren&#8217;t LDS, nor anti-LDS, nor ex-LDS, feel about this issue please take a look at the current HBO Big Love discussion boards.  There, best as I can see, only Mormons see it as a positive thing.  Most people are more than incensed about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Latayne</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.  I don&#039;t think I used the word &quot;all&quot; but I certainly did imply it.  I stand corrected if I gave that impression, and appreciate the links you sent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  I don&#8217;t think I used the word &#8220;all&#8221; but I certainly did imply it.  I stand corrected if I gave that impression, and appreciate the links you sent.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no uniform &quot;Jewish&quot; objection to LDS proxy baptisms. Eugene Volokh and Erik Jaffe, both of The Volokh Conspiracy blog (and both of whom are Jewish), don&#039;t see anything objectionable out it:

Volokh: If you&#039;re Mormon, then presumably you&#039;d want your relatives baptized. If you&#039;re not Mormon, then presumably you would think that some Mormon in some temple somewhere going through some ritual while mentioning people&#039;s names would be spiritually pointless. It would have no effect on the people, on their afterlives (if you think they have afterlives), on God, or on anything else. So what&#039;s the problem?
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The Mormons aren&#039;t forcing anything on any living person. They&#039;re not exhuming anyone&#039;s body. They aren&#039;t insulting anyone, except insofar as they&#039;re suggesting that their religion is the right one, and that people ought to want to convert to it -- and if that itself qualifies as an insult, then it seems to me that people are too easily insulted.

Jaffe: I actually find it somewhat endearing that Mormons are concerned enough about my erstwhile soul to try and protect it in a non-intrusive manner after my death. Other religious groups are not so considerate and instead seek to intimidate the @#%$ out of you or otherwise confront and demean you while you are alive in a supposed effort to save your soul. I have my doubts about the true motives of the hell-and-brimstone types, but the Mormons seem perfectly genuine to me. At worst it is no-harm, no-foul; at best they do me a great service.

http://volokh.com/2002_12_08_volokh_archive.html

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach is similarly unimpressed with complaints about vicarious baptism:

I could not care less if the Mormons baptize me after I&#039;m dead. It won&#039;t affect me. I&#039;ll always be a Jew, in this life and the next. If this is part of Mormon practice and belief, and they do it in the privacy of their own ritual, and it doesn&#039;t affect me in the slightest, why should I care? People&#039;s beliefs are their own business. It&#039;s how they treat others that is everyone&#039;s business. What I care about is how much the Mormons support Israel today, not what they do with Jewish souls in what they regard as the afterlife.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36329

So I think you overstate your criticism when you characterize *all* Jews as taking offense to LDS proxy baptisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no uniform &#8220;Jewish&#8221; objection to LDS proxy baptisms. Eugene Volokh and Erik Jaffe, both of The Volokh Conspiracy blog (and both of whom are Jewish), don&#8217;t see anything objectionable out it:</p>
<p>Volokh: If you&#8217;re Mormon, then presumably you&#8217;d want your relatives baptized. If you&#8217;re not Mormon, then presumably you would think that some Mormon in some temple somewhere going through some ritual while mentioning people&#8217;s names would be spiritually pointless. It would have no effect on the people, on their afterlives (if you think they have afterlives), on God, or on anything else. So what&#8217;s the problem?<br />
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The Mormons aren&#8217;t forcing anything on any living person. They&#8217;re not exhuming anyone&#8217;s body. They aren&#8217;t insulting anyone, except insofar as they&#8217;re suggesting that their religion is the right one, and that people ought to want to convert to it &#8212; and if that itself qualifies as an insult, then it seems to me that people are too easily insulted.</p>
<p>Jaffe: I actually find it somewhat endearing that Mormons are concerned enough about my erstwhile soul to try and protect it in a non-intrusive manner after my death. Other religious groups are not so considerate and instead seek to intimidate the @#%$ out of you or otherwise confront and demean you while you are alive in a supposed effort to save your soul. I have my doubts about the true motives of the hell-and-brimstone types, but the Mormons seem perfectly genuine to me. At worst it is no-harm, no-foul; at best they do me a great service.</p>
<p><a href="http://volokh.com/2002_12_08_volokh_archive.html" rel="nofollow">http://volokh.com/2002_12_08_volokh_archive.html</a></p>
<p>Rabbi Shmuley Boteach is similarly unimpressed with complaints about vicarious baptism:</p>
<p>I could not care less if the Mormons baptize me after I&#8217;m dead. It won&#8217;t affect me. I&#8217;ll always be a Jew, in this life and the next. If this is part of Mormon practice and belief, and they do it in the privacy of their own ritual, and it doesn&#8217;t affect me in the slightest, why should I care? People&#8217;s beliefs are their own business. It&#8217;s how they treat others that is everyone&#8217;s business. What I care about is how much the Mormons support Israel today, not what they do with Jewish souls in what they regard as the afterlife.</p>
<p><a href="http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36329" rel="nofollow">http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36329</a></p>
<p>So I think you overstate your criticism when you characterize *all* Jews as taking offense to LDS proxy baptisms.</p>
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